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host and we have a great show for you

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this evening remember a couple of weeks

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ago I had Katie cook on and she said her

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favorite guest was Mike clelland well

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he's on our show tonight and he's

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written a few books since he's been on

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last and he's has another one in the

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works we're going to be talking about

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that but more importantly we're going to

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be talking about his first book which I

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had him on uh way back I think in 2016

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I'm gonna say

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talking about it and it's a weird

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connection between owls and

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um entities or in UFOs encounters and

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things like that it's and it's a very

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strange thing but it seems like it

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happens quite a bit and it actually

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happened to a person that I spoke to

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out in uh I think it was yes it was

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Phoenix and just casually oh she said oh

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little bit about that I mentioned it a

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few times on the show but it's a really

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it's a fascinating uh occurrence which

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so many of these are and uh our blog

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this week is by Charles Lear and it's a

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really great it's a great one and it's

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one on Betty and Barney Hill it's called

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The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Abduction

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story from its primary sources

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and Charles loves to do a lot of deep

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research so he worked really hard on

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this blog check it out over at podcast

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that's information's over it's on

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patreon and that information is over on

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our website as well so without further

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Ado I'm bringing in our guest welcome

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Mike

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thank you nice to be here

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I think it was like 2016 wasn't it

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that's about right yeah that would have

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been a problem maybe I can't remember I

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was I was in um New York at the time now

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that's right yeah how are you liking it

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it's nice that I actually you know what

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mild here I love a big like snowy winter

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so really well yeah I uh I haven't said

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anything but I'm in South Carolina I've

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been in South Carolina since January and

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love I mean I ski and stuff like that so

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outdoors and the it's really nice here

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the subject and then I want to go right

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into the messengers how you got

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fascinated in that aspect of of of uh

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whole thing but there was a story that

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a glorious spot and I said hey um

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this woman and at that moment an owl

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this one's name is Kristen and and as we

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astonishment on her face and she was

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synchronicities because I've had a lot

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of these odd synchronicities and they

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begin they got a little punch line

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UFO experiences right so so I'll see

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real owl I have a voice in my head that

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lived in Laramie Wyoming which was

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would imply I'm really cautious to use

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the term abduction but that's the only

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the things I would ask people because of

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the initial event I would ask people who

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had these you know I met with bud I met

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with Leo sprinkle and I would ask them

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has an owl story I want to hear it and

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what happened was which I did not expect

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flooded at first it was sort of a

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trickle

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and then it turned into just a deluge

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and it hasn't stopped so for well over a

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I have been getting powerful owl stories

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oftentimes owl and UFOs together

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sometimes it's an owl and let's say a

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synchronistic event or a mystical event

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or a spiritual event but I've been

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collecting owl stories and have been for

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pretty darn close to one good story a

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day for a decade and you do the math and

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that's that's like I'm I can't keep up

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what it what it tells me is that there

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connection is but I can say that the

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stories have oftentimes have a real

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power to them so and you had a story

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when you when you reached out to me for

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this this interview yeah so uh one other

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guest she was in the Berkshire UFOs uh

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if you happen to see Unsolved Mysteries

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of Berkshire UFOs she has an owl story

278
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you know I mean is that Berkshires is

279
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that um uh in Connecticut no that's in

280
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Berkshires Massachusetts the Berkshires

281
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UFO incident there was uh Tom Warner Tom

282
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uh

283
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um Tom Reed Tom she's Tom Reed it used

284
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to be called no one knew it as anything

285
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else other than the Tom Reed family I I

286
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remember seeing that yeah yeah and there

287
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was another fellow there's a fellow

288
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involved lots of witnesses

289
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yeah so yeah so it was great uh after I

290
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think it was a year or two after I had

291
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seen we met in uh at a conference you

292
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were at

293
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that I was in Phoenix and I was walking

294
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my dog and I've told this story before

295
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in the show I was walking my dog and

296
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there was a a girl out smoking

297
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cigarettes I worked in the casinos and

298
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she said uh what's going on here and I

299
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said oh it's a UFO conference oh she

300
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says well I should I should peek in

301
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there because I had a UFO uh you know I

302
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saw a UFO issues nonchalant about it so

303
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I go you know anytime anyone ever says

304
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that to me I said okay let's hear about

305
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it and so he's telling me the story she

306
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said her and her friend were

307
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um going by uh they were driving from

308
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one location to another in in Native

309
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American country out there and there was

310
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a uh what do you call a Mesa and I'll on

311
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she said they saw something lift for

312
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like it came up from the Mesa and then

313
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came over toward them

314
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and it and they got really scared and

315
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they said all of a sudden a bright light

316
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came into the car this was during the

317
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day they had a son in a bright light it

318
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was over their car the bright light came

319
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down into their car and they nailed it

320
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they hit she said she was doing over 100

321
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miles an hour for I don't know how many

322
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miles and the thing paced them

323
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and then finally it just took off and

324
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then she said and so we pulled off the

325
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road and she said all of a sudden the

326
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biggest owl I've ever seen in my life

327
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was right there in front of us you know

328
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I can't remember

329
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you know I have I have it written down

330
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somewhere because I looked at the old

331
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email that I had sent you way back when

332
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it happened and I do believe it sort of

333
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came at their windshield but I you know

334
00:14:08,810 --> 00:14:06,839
I'd have to look again to read that

335
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email because I wrote it down fresh at

336
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that point yeah but I mean still it's a

337
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it's a it's a great story with that I

338
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love hearing these stories and you must

339
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love it too when someone just comes out

340
00:14:22,569 --> 00:14:18,839
of the blue well I haven't had anything

341
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happen but this happened and yeah

342
00:14:26,990 --> 00:14:25,320
something unusual comes into it yeah

343
00:14:29,690 --> 00:14:27,000
yeah and that that so the story you just

344
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told like that shows up in my files

345
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that's all the time that's like that's

346
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like standard

347
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that's so normal

348
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and so the question is why why are these

349
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all showing up I mean that's a really

350
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tough question to answer and I can't

351
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answer it but I can speculate around why

352
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it may show up and and um

353
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and the longer I'm so the longer I would

354
00:14:57,829 --> 00:14:53,100
just research the less connected to UFOs

355
00:15:00,110 --> 00:14:57,839
I am so the owl is is kind of the core

356
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part of my research in a way but it's

357
00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:01,560
also the owls are also connected there's

358
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I have like some remarkable stories

359
00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:04,920
about owls and death

360
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I'll show up at the time of often after

361
00:15:14,509 --> 00:15:10,500
a death the stories that I'm getting

362
00:15:17,449 --> 00:15:14,519
that I'm receiving are often of a um

363
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when someone's parent dies

364
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and an owl will show up in the in this

365
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the thread of the stories here I'll just

366
00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:23,579
tell one a woman gets a hold of me and

367
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:25,500
I'm living in Upstate New York and I'm I

368
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was with my partner Andrea at the time

369
00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:30,060
this is going back a few years ago and

370
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where just drinking coffee by the fire

371
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wait a wood stove and and a woman gets a

372
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hold of us her name is Suzanne

373
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and she says she sends a picture he said

374
00:15:45,050 --> 00:15:43,560
is this owl okay

375
00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:45,060
and there's a beautiful picture it's

376
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winter time there's a beautiful picture

377
00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:48,300
of a barred owl like sitting on a chair

378
00:15:50,689 --> 00:15:49,560
right out her back window you can tell

379
00:15:52,009 --> 00:15:50,699
it's on a porch and you can tell it's

380
00:15:53,509 --> 00:15:52,019
looking out the window I was right up

381
00:15:55,730 --> 00:15:53,519
against the window

382
00:15:57,410 --> 00:15:55,740
and I'm like looks fine to me what's

383
00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:57,420
your story and she says so here's her

384
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:00,720
story she was she was

385
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:02,880
meditating

386
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because she couldn't she put out a

387
00:16:12,829 --> 00:16:10,500
a arrest

388
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move through the grieving process

389
00:16:16,569 --> 00:16:14,519
because her mother had died

390
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it was her mother's birthday

391
00:16:20,269 --> 00:16:19,079
and she was meditating and then she was

392
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,279
sitting alone and when she opened her

393
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,560
eyes in the house

394
00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:24,000
the way she was sitting she was aimed at

395
00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:25,620
a window she said if I was just a little

396
00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:27,180
bit this way I wouldn't have seen it if

397
00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:28,320
I was a little bit that way I wouldn't

398
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:30,540
have seen it but it was lined right up

399
00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:31,680
with this window and there's an owl

400
00:16:35,210 --> 00:16:33,240
staring at her

401
00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:35,220
and she went up and and she then she

402
00:16:38,689 --> 00:16:36,360
took the picture and sent it to me

403
00:16:41,569 --> 00:16:38,699
because she knew I did this all research

404
00:16:42,889 --> 00:16:41,579
and and and she said what's what does

405
00:16:44,689 --> 00:16:42,899
this mean and I'm like it's your

406
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:44,699
mother's birthday and you're you're the

407
00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:46,560
me the reason you were meditating was

408
00:16:50,749 --> 00:16:48,060
because you wanted to alleviate The

409
00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:50,759
Grieving I I and the reason I the next

410
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:52,860
thing I said and the reason I said it is

411
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,199
because I have heard so many stories

412
00:16:58,670 --> 00:16:57,120
that play out like this I said open that

413
00:17:01,129 --> 00:16:58,680
window and talk to that I'll like it's

414
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,139
your mother she did and she said that

415
00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:03,600
I'll eventually flew off but it stayed

416
00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:04,740
in a tree for the rest of the day

417
00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:06,660
watching her house just right at the

418
00:17:13,329 --> 00:17:09,720
edge of her lawn and she said after that

419
00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:13,339
point the her grieving

420
00:17:19,309 --> 00:17:16,740
loved it it so she came she came to a

421
00:17:20,510 --> 00:17:19,319
place of Peace because of that all that

422
00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:20,520
story

423
00:17:25,870 --> 00:17:23,160
repeats over and over again in my files

424
00:17:28,850 --> 00:17:25,880
so owls and death also owls and

425
00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:28,860
psychedelics like mushrooms

426
00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:30,600
people tell him to bring these stories

427
00:17:33,169 --> 00:17:31,799
these wild stories about owls and

428
00:17:34,909 --> 00:17:33,179
mushrooms they take mushrooms and they

429
00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:34,919
see a Mythic vision of an owl and it

430
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:38,940
like is so powerful so and then uh owls

431
00:17:42,529 --> 00:17:40,320
and um

432
00:17:44,450 --> 00:17:42,539
shamanic initiation so people who are

433
00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:44,460
going through the initiation process of

434
00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:47,160
becoming a shaman in whether Native

435
00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:49,500
American cultures or in

436
00:17:52,010 --> 00:17:50,940
um there's a fellow in Ireland who got a

437
00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:52,020
hold of me

438
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,260
uh or simply people doing like a

439
00:17:59,570 --> 00:17:57,840
shamanic Workshop will often have

440
00:18:02,210 --> 00:17:59,580
encounters with Alice it's very well

441
00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:02,220
understood by the shamans and from an

442
00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:03,900
outsider it seems very odd but given

443
00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:05,880
given what I the research I've done and

444
00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:08,460
then actually there's a few more

445
00:18:12,409 --> 00:18:11,160
meditation which which is people will

446
00:18:13,549 --> 00:18:12,419
meditate I've got a bunch of stories

447
00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:13,559
where people meditate open their eyes

448
00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:14,940
and it's owls staring right at him

449
00:18:18,770 --> 00:18:16,740
through the window or the meditating

450
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,780
when they owls write the branch in front

451
00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:21,120
of them a few things like that so I was

452
00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:23,880
the meditation so there's this kind of

453
00:18:29,810 --> 00:18:26,700
it it forces me to say

454
00:18:32,090 --> 00:18:29,820
of course is me to ask the question

455
00:18:34,610 --> 00:18:32,100
like I the way I'm framing it is that

456
00:18:37,070 --> 00:18:34,620
the owls seem connected to a highly

457
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:37,080
charged human event right so the death

458
00:18:41,330 --> 00:18:38,400
of a parent is a highly charged human

459
00:18:44,029 --> 00:18:41,340
event a close-up UFO sighting wow that's

460
00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:44,039
a highly charged human event

461
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:46,860
um like a powerful

462
00:18:51,650 --> 00:18:48,960
initiation process like becoming a

463
00:18:53,870 --> 00:18:51,660
shaman in a tribe that would be a highly

464
00:18:56,270 --> 00:18:53,880
charged human event like we westerners

465
00:18:58,610 --> 00:18:56,280
like in our in this kind of

466
00:19:00,770 --> 00:18:58,620
technological era we don't have that

467
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,780
that but there are plenty of cultures

468
00:19:04,669 --> 00:19:02,880
that still have that present day and

469
00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:04,679
it's well understood that they have owls

470
00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:07,140
showing up so I'm seeing the owls as

471
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:09,480
something not so much connected to UFOs

472
00:19:16,370 --> 00:19:13,919
but the UFO is just one of a list of

473
00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:16,380
Highly charged human events so the owl

474
00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:19,860
seems symbolic more of that the power of

475
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,620
the event than the UFO itself I don't

476
00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:24,960
know what I'm saying that's showing up

477
00:19:29,930 --> 00:19:28,020
in my files as far as the stories that

478
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,940
I'm getting the vast majority of my

479
00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:32,160
stories there you have to do with UFOs I

480
00:19:36,169 --> 00:19:34,200
feel that's just because I'm putting out

481
00:19:37,850 --> 00:19:36,179
the UFO story in connection and I'm

482
00:19:40,850 --> 00:19:37,860
getting that reflected back but there's

483
00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:40,860
also these other other events too so I'm

484
00:19:46,669 --> 00:19:44,340
I'm very open to that and I and I I have

485
00:19:49,690 --> 00:19:46,679
very little let's say proof like I'm not

486
00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:49,700
a scientist but I feel like I'm a good

487
00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:51,660
folklorist or

488
00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:53,580
let's say a good journalist in the sense

489
00:19:58,430 --> 00:19:56,340
that I have a the files that I'm getting

490
00:19:59,630 --> 00:19:58,440
like I don't mind someone brings a story

491
00:20:02,090 --> 00:19:59,640
to me

492
00:20:04,130 --> 00:20:02,100
I won't really share that story unless

493
00:20:05,450 --> 00:20:04,140
it's part of a pattern if I have one

494
00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:05,460
story

495
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,000
unless I see that repeating in a in a

496
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:10,799
pattern of stories I like I don't feel

497
00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:15,120
right sharing that as a as a

498
00:20:18,409 --> 00:20:16,740
because it's just a standalone thing and

499
00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:18,419
it could just be a one-off and I but

500
00:20:21,049 --> 00:20:19,860
once I start seeing it as a pattern

501
00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:21,059
though that's where I'm really

502
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,400
fascinated so these patterns are showing

503
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:25,679
up and I'm trying to make sense of them

504
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:29,280
I know I told you this but when I the

505
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,140
very first time I met you when I went to

506
00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:34,080
that conference were where you were at

507
00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:37,080
speaking at I had no idea that you were

508
00:20:41,630 --> 00:20:39,660
going to be there talking about owls and

509
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:41,640
that night that morning I was woken up

510
00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:43,620
by an owl the one and only time I ever

511
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,640
was uh outside my window yeah I remember

512
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:49,760
telling you that that was just another

513
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:53,039
that's a coincidence it's not bizarre to

514
00:20:57,770 --> 00:20:53,760
me

515
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,780
so it happens a lot we're like wow that

516
00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:58,799
like

517
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,559
I have a conversation I had um I've had

518
00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:02,640
people like

519
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:05,460
you know on phone calls like an owl land

520
00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:07,140
on the windowsill kind of thing so I

521
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,539
don't know what it means yeah it's not

522
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:11,039
on my windowsill on their windowsill

523
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,740
like yeah so I and and I live in a place

524
00:21:18,770 --> 00:21:16,080
right now with a lot of owls in in and I

525
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:18,780
so I hear owls every night I see them

526
00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:21,840
awesome but but so do the neighbors

527
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:23,700
that's nothing special about me I mean

528
00:21:28,909 --> 00:21:26,039
it's there's a lot of owls here so

529
00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:28,919
um but uh but that

530
00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:31,799
yeah this so the the an owl has a long

531
00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:34,500
lineage along history of

532
00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:35,460
of

533
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,640
folklore and mythology and such so it's

534
00:21:47,330 --> 00:21:44,640
it's it's simply a rising present day

535
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,340
uh still so my sense is that the owl

536
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,960
stories and these kind of owl stories

537
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,159
have been around

538
00:21:55,789 --> 00:21:53,520
since the dawn of human existence

539
00:21:57,710 --> 00:21:55,799
and they are now simply repeating

540
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:57,720
present day

541
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,200
except weep we westerners don't have

542
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:02,640
them

543
00:22:06,830 --> 00:22:05,340
the foundation like we don't have a sh

544
00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:06,840
we don't have a we don't sit on the

545
00:22:11,649 --> 00:22:08,520
campfire until magical stories about

546
00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:11,659
animals like we might have done you know

547
00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:15,780
you know an Indian tribe 500 years ago

548
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,179
or like in a village in Ireland you know

549
00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:21,120
500 years ago but we this the out the

550
00:22:26,330 --> 00:22:22,440
owls are still playing the same role

551
00:22:28,029 --> 00:22:26,340
whether we we can tap into it or not so

552
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,039
they have to show up on your iPhone

553
00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:30,960
somehow well yeah I recognize that I was

554
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:33,900
seeing an owl t-shirt or an owl uh time

555
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:35,880
stamp or something or an owl you know

556
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:38,039
billboard driving road that counts right

557
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,500
to the Lester or to a degree but I try

558
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:42,240
not to separate that too much from from

559
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:43,620
the

560
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,020
um you know so we have a couple people

561
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:48,480
can post anyone can post a question in

562
00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:51,179
chat uh please put it in cap so I catch

563
00:22:58,730 --> 00:22:54,299
it and this is uh Mary Grace Kirby our

564
00:23:00,830 --> 00:22:58,740
owls a screening for et is that uh

565
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:00,840
yes so the answer to that is undoubtedly

566
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:02,940
yes now this is once again I'm just

567
00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:04,740
using the literature that I've dug

568
00:23:07,549 --> 00:23:06,120
through and the conversations that I've

569
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:07,559
had but once you have that same

570
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,799
conversation like 500 times you kind of

571
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,480
you kind of recognize that it's there so

572
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:15,600
what is let me see so there's a woman I

573
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,840
know she had a she's she had

574
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,880
uh so what's very common is for people

575
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,799
to let's say drive down the road at

576
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:24,960
night this happened to um

577
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,299
Dolores Cannon she has a textbook story

578
00:23:30,970 --> 00:23:29,280
yeah she was driving down the road at

579
00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:30,980
night it's in her book The custodians

580
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:35,700
and and she there's an owl in the road

581
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:37,740
and this this is interesting so the

582
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:40,200
question I ask when I talk to Witnesses

583
00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:42,419
is when they have an event whether UFO

584
00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:44,820
interval event in a power synchronicity

585
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,500
I'll ask what was going on in your life

586
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:48,000
leading up to the event

587
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,220
and then what changed so so um

588
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,960
she was living in Arkansas Dolores

589
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,200
Cannon and she had just had a meeting

590
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:59,640
she was doing family therapy

591
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:01,740
hypnotherapist stuff just straight

592
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,440
relieving stress quitting smoking very

593
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:07,200
above board hypnotherapy work

594
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:09,240
and what was showing up in her work was

595
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:11,400
people were telling these weird UFO

596
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,020
stories she had no idea what to make of

597
00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:15,360
it this very early on in her this is

598
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:16,679
before she really started working on

599
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:20,159
anything esoteric so

600
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:22,020
she had she had the conversation with

601
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:24,120
the people at her staff and basically

602
00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:27,419
said what do I do with this with this

603
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:29,880
UFO stories that are showing up and

604
00:24:33,169 --> 00:24:30,900
they're like gee I don't know either

605
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,179
either you follow it or you don't so she

606
00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:35,220
drives home that night she's in her car

607
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:37,740
she's got a big truck in the in the

608
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,440
Ozark Mountains of Arkansas

609
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:42,000
it comes around a corner there's a big

610
00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:44,280
owl on the road she says it's tall

611
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:45,720
enough to look over the hood of her

612
00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:47,580
truck and look right in her eyes no no

613
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:49,980
hole in the world big enough to look

614
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,380
over the hood of a truck and right if

615
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,720
you pull right up to it so she pulls up

616
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:56,400
to it the owl flies down the road and

617
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,960
lands and she pulls up to the owl the

618
00:25:01,850 --> 00:24:59,820
owl flies down the road and lands the

619
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:01,860
owl leads her all the way home

620
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:04,799
and then and then she

621
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,780
she tells her son like well I saw four

622
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,520
foot tall out and he's like Mom owls

623
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,799
don't get four foot tall and she's like

624
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:13,440
wow so she she realized she was right

625
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,059
there there is no owl in the world

626
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,580
that's that big so

627
00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:19,440
the implication is that there's some

628
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:20,280
sort of

629
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:22,380
screen memory taking place where the

630
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,880
owls would

631
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:26,640
um would somehow whether it's using

632
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:29,460
technology or whether it's using psychic

633
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,039
means would put an image into the eye

634
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:34,799
into the mind of the Observer

635
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:37,559
and they would you know

636
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:39,179
there's the stories within the

637
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,740
literature of people under hypnosis

638
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,200
hypnosis is very

639
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:45,120
questionable right but people use it

640
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,440
it's part of the it's part of the

641
00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:48,000
research some people have very strong

642
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:49,860
opinions on it but here people will

643
00:25:54,769 --> 00:25:52,500
under hypnosis people will say

644
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:54,779
you know I think the gray and the great

645
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:57,179
alien said you will remember us as an

646
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:00,720
owl and they remember the conversation

647
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,840
um so and there's lots of accounts of

648
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:05,880
owls on the roads but it's not just owls

649
00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:07,080
there's other screen memories there's

650
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,679
deer there's raccoons clowns actually

651
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:12,840
show up so that that like you know why

652
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:13,740
do

653
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:17,820
oh I said oh boy a clown yeah Cloud

654
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,559
spots are creepy yeah so clowns like

655
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:21,120
that's why do we have a fear of clowns

656
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:22,080
so

657
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:25,260
um and then um

658
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,679
so oh the go get back to that so what

659
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:30,360
was happening leading up to the event

660
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:32,279
with Dolores Cannon

661
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,059
she was she had to make the decision am

662
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:38,400
I going to go through with this am I

663
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,159
going to follow this UFO thread this

664
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:43,200
these stories are being emerging in my

665
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,240
hypnosis sessions what do I do with them

666
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,580
she chose to follow them change the

667
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:49,740
course of her life she put out all these

668
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:52,140
books and that was the core of her

669
00:26:58,690 --> 00:26:54,299
life's work for the final years of her

670
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,700
life for decades of her life was this

671
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:01,200
contact experience

672
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,100
that she she researched in depth now

673
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:07,679
so that here I'll tell One More Story

674
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:10,919
there's a woman I know she uh was 16

675
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,580
years old she knew she was having UFO

676
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:16,559
contact alien contact but it would

677
00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:18,299
always been at night always been in her

678
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:19,620
bedroom

679
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,620
and she was working at a girls camp this

680
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:25,200
was outside in the forest

681
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:26,640
and there were two kind of there was a

682
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:28,380
section there were two cantler campsites

683
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,059
just away and there was a path walking

684
00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:31,679
between the two campsites this is well

685
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,720
into the back country and and so she was

686
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:35,760
working with he was a girl scout so she

687
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,020
was working

688
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,640
with one group and she had to walk to

689
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:40,320
the other set of tents so she just

690
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:41,700
walked through the woods and and she

691
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:43,620
turns the corner on the trail

692
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:46,620
and there's a gray alien standing on the

693
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:50,520
trail full daylight bright sunshine

694
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:53,940
and she just stops in this this gray

695
00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:55,620
alien with a big bald head and the big

696
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:57,539
black eyes full daylight looks at her

697
00:28:02,269 --> 00:27:59,820
she looks at it and she hears this voice

698
00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:02,279
in her head that says owl owl owl or

699
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:04,620
just energetic voice

700
00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:07,860
this kind of telepathic reverberation is

701
00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:15,890
gray alien morph turn into an owl and

702
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,159
then the owl turns around and runs into

703
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,720
the woods

704
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,360
so I have a I have a couple stories like

705
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,480
that in my files one with a deer almost

706
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:25,919
the exact same story instead of turning

707
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:28,440
into an owl that turns into a deer so

708
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:32,400
the implication is that that these gray

709
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:36,720
aliens are using some sort of psychic

710
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,720
energy psychic technology to influence

711
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:41,880
the mind of the Observer they look at a

712
00:28:45,409 --> 00:28:43,860
great alien in their mind they register

713
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:45,419
an owl

714
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:48,960
and um and that's very common but in

715
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:51,419
I'll have to say like in my research

716
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:53,700
like after you hear that story

717
00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:55,980
500 times

718
00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:57,659
then you you kind of get it okay so

719
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:59,400
there this is happening showing up in

720
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:00,900
the research it's a pattern it's very

721
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,020
clearly a pattern and then what I'm more

722
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,440
interested in is the real I'll show up

723
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,539
at the time of UFO contact

724
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,700
or or like let's say a highly charged

725
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:13,620
human event and those are the stories

726
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,299
that I've been collecting and that's the

727
00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:18,000
core of that the first book was the core

728
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:20,039
of all my books really is is these

729
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:22,020
stories that emerge and that people have

730
00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:24,600
shared with me over the past

731
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,020
almost decade and a half now

732
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:29,760
yeah you know I love I love hearing

733
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:31,140
these stories

734
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:32,039
um

735
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:34,380
and I would like to hear some more of

736
00:29:38,590 --> 00:29:35,520
them

737
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,600
so I I guess what I'd like to ask you

738
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:41,039
are there any

739
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,020
um I I don't want to call it a mass

740
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:46,080
sighting but there are there any times

741
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:48,120
where there's multiple people involved

742
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:51,539
when they all see that the you know see

743
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:53,580
this thing going on

744
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:55,559
the answer would be yes I would have to

745
00:29:58,430 --> 00:29:56,760
I would have to think for a little bit

746
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:58,440
to come up with a good example of a

747
00:30:02,269 --> 00:30:00,419
multiple sighting

748
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:02,279
um

749
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:04,679
yeah so that's a so right off the top of

750
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:06,120
my head I can I can think of some with

751
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:07,799
just maybe one or two people

752
00:30:12,370 --> 00:30:09,480
but um

753
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:12,380
yeah so it says the Karina sales is

754
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,480
experiencer out of Canada this is more

755
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,360
of a screen memory type thing but she

756
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:21,120
was driving she went to a Skywatch and

757
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:22,620
her and her family so I think it was her

758
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:23,940
two daughters

759
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:26,520
and at the time was her boyfriend I

760
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:27,960
think I've got this right this is in her

761
00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:33,169
I can't remember the name of the book

762
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,860
but she wrote about it in her book so

763
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,240
she's

764
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,159
coming back from a sky watch at night in

765
00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:39,360
Canada

766
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:40,919
in British Columbia

767
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:43,320
and

768
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:49,980
corner they didn't see anything but they

769
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:52,500
come around a corner

770
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:53,940
and there's three women in the car

771
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:56,580
Karina and her two daughters and the

772
00:31:03,470 --> 00:30:59,820
fellow driving and in the Headlights

773
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,480
the women all see a great alien standing

774
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:04,559
on the side of the road and they all

775
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,840
scream like scream like they're driving

776
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,700
past in this in this Dirt Road in the

777
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:10,799
forest and then the fellow driving what

778
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:14,220
are you screaming that's a that's an owl

779
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:15,419
and they're like what are you saying

780
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,620
what are you crazy that was a great

781
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,080
alien with big black eyes so they also

782
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:21,240
they all saw an alien three people saw

783
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:23,640
an alien with big black eyes and the

784
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,700
driver saw it as an owl and that that

785
00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:28,799
though I don't have exactly that story

786
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:30,419
in my files I certainly have a lot of

787
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:32,940
stories that match the flavor and tenor

788
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,640
and the mood of that story so that story

789
00:31:39,889 --> 00:31:37,320
really Rings true to me having dug

790
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:39,899
through this for these so many years

791
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:43,020
you know uh it's I have talked about

792
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:46,380
this before also on this show that a lot

793
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:47,880
of times there will be two people

794
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,539
together in a UFO event and they'll both

795
00:31:56,269 --> 00:31:53,360
see something different

796
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,279
or that they both their account is

797
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,320
completely different you know which is

798
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:01,140
another fascinating side of this whole

799
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:04,500
mystery and yeah yeah so that's

800
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:07,620
something I've learned is that um how to

801
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,000
say this like if someone tells you a

802
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,760
story and it makes sense let's say like

803
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,320
it's too clean like it has a beginning

804
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:16,080
middle and end it's like then I'm like

805
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:19,260
maybe not take some stress wow it gets

806
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,700
weird and there's like time just

807
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:23,279
Distortion and one person is one one

808
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:24,659
person sees another there's like

809
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:26,100
heightened emotions where they're like

810
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:28,440
oh I felt emotion I felt love or they've

811
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:30,360
like oh I felt so scared I thought I was

812
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,100
gonna die you know so there's like if

813
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:34,080
they if it's a kind of a normal story

814
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:37,080
that's when I question it but the the

815
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:38,220
the

816
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:45,899
often has

817
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,600
like reverberating strangeness

818
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,880
yeah like someone you see an owl or

819
00:32:54,409 --> 00:32:52,500
excuse me I just did it I get mixed up

820
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:54,419
with owls and UFOs like you see a UFO

821
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:56,279
way off in the distance it's like some

822
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,380
unusual light and then and then you see

823
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:00,480
an owl an hour later or like on the

824
00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:02,520
drive home or at the moment at the same

825
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:03,419
time

826
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,720
so that's that's what fascinates me

827
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:09,440
right and I've heard I've heard

828
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:11,820
it seems like you mentioned like the

829
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,460
time Distortion stuff like that that's a

830
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,620
kind of a common thing I've heard a lot

831
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,019
and another thing that's really strange

832
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:20,880
is a lot of times when two two or more

833
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:24,720
people uh witness a UFO

834
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:26,700
um they don't talk about it afterwards

835
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:28,500
you know I mean I think that's another

836
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,039
bizarre type of situation something that

837
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,440
it doesn't make any sense or they'll go

838
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,000
in the house and go to bed

839
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:39,840
yes yeah exactly exactly yeah I have a

840
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:42,179
friend that's uh I'm in the Antiques and

841
00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:44,760
arts business and I have a friend that's

842
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:47,340
uh an Auctioneer called me says oh my

843
00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:49,860
God you do a show on UFOs I said yeah

844
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,200
and they talked about an encounter where

845
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,200
he was with all his buddies when he was

846
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:56,960
in his teens

847
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:00,480
and this thing object was over them and

848
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,279
they look up at it and scared the heck

849
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:05,039
out of them they're running and he said

850
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:07,080
he's never been able to get them to say

851
00:34:10,089 --> 00:34:08,580
a word about it they will never talk

852
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,099
about it

853
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,679
yeah it is common yeah yeah it really I

854
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:16,080
think it affects everybody in it in a

855
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,179
different in a different way

856
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:20,460
yeah exactly people become Zealot and

857
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:23,820
some people never talk again

858
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:25,859
yeah yeah we're having a little bit of

859
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,919
audio uh you know but you know but I I

860
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:31,440
think I just yeah it's been happening as

861
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:34,619
we go along but you you everything makes

862
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:38,159
sense so okay uh yeah we're moving along

863
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:41,220
good so uh yeah you know this connection

864
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:45,240
is really bizarre and it's it's also

865
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:46,679
like

866
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:49,020
um the the mystery you hear and I can't

867
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,240
believe that you're getting this many

868
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:54,240
stories as you say you are are you ever

869
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:55,980
thinking about

870
00:35:03,050 --> 00:34:59,119
um you know writing another book

871
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:03,060
on on these Encounters in owls in

872
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:04,859
different ways you know for instance

873
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:06,780
you're talking about you know spiritual

874
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:08,580
ways or when there's a death or

875
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:09,720
something like that are you thinking

876
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:11,940
about expanding more

877
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:13,800
so the answer to that is yes I'm just

878
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:15,540
shortly I've been working on a book for

879
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:17,640
a long time it just I'm working on a

880
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:18,780
fiction book

881
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:21,839
and what I did what I it the it's uh it

882
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:22,980
should be out in about a month and a

883
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:24,780
half I'm Gonna Knock not sure what we'll

884
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:26,760
be but I'm missing mid

885
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:30,839
May and and uh only

886
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:34,020
three people on sides I've read all very

887
00:35:38,349 --> 00:35:35,700
complementary so that meant a lot to me

888
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:38,359
so they but it's kind of a cross between

889
00:35:46,089 --> 00:35:41,940
the Twilight Zone and and

890
00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:46,099
uh Twin Peaks is kind of a kind of a

891
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:49,079
uh little spy narrative there and a

892
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,400
little bit of romance and but there's

893
00:35:55,810 --> 00:35:52,800
owls there's certainly owls in it and

894
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:55,820
what I did is I as I wanted to tap into

895
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:59,400
the flavor in the mood of the stories

896
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:00,780
that I've been collecting

897
00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:03,300
right so it's one thing to to hear

898
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:05,579
someone tell the story and it's

899
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:07,859
something altogether to really listen

900
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:09,720
and really have the conversation of how

901
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,220
did it make them feel

902
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:14,160
how did it whether it's citing UFO or

903
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:16,380
owl and UFO connection with each other

904
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,780
and what I found is that people really

905
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:20,880
struggle and you've probably talked to

906
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:24,599
people too where they just struggle with

907
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,060
the strangeness of it

908
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:30,480
like the why me the why is it so strange

909
00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:32,520
or they'll be it'll have one event will

910
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:34,619
happen and that will trigger some

911
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:38,460
secondary synchronicity or spirit that

912
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:41,160
that shouldn't be connected but somehow

913
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,320
seems to be connected so I played with

914
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,079
those themes in this fiction book and um

915
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:47,760
and I tried to turn it into kind of a

916
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,859
paranormal Thriller and that that I

917
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:51,720
didn't want it to be a dull thing so it

918
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:53,160
races right along and there's plenty of

919
00:36:58,910 --> 00:36:55,980
action and plenty of intrigue and and

920
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,920
um and I and uh so yeah that'll be out

921
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:01,920
so you ask the question like have I it

922
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:05,520
like so I tried fiction just because it

923
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,339
felt like a way to tell that deeper

924
00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:10,079
story where you can explore those

925
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:12,920
feelings and those the the the

926
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,940
experiences that a person is dealing

927
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,320
with

928
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:18,000
when they're trying to make sense

929
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:19,560
internally they're trying to make sense

930
00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:21,480
of this strangeness

931
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,000
business

932
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:25,980
here's a uh here's a question from this

933
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:28,320
is a good friend of mine uh Chris

934
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:31,680
Chrisley and bright UFO researcher uh

935
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:33,300
he's kind of making a point here so a

936
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:35,579
normal clean story is to be doubted

937
00:37:39,310 --> 00:37:37,560
about an owl mysteriously being an alien

938
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:39,320
is sensible

939
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:43,800
so so I like believe me I recognize like

940
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,380
I'm I'm like so this is coming from

941
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,839
someone who spent a decade reading

942
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:50,520
communicating with people who have had

943
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:52,680
owl and UFO stories so let me I'll

944
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:54,119
soften that up again the clean story

945
00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:56,220
isn't really to be doubted but I will

946
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:58,440
say when someone tells me a scrambled up

947
00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:00,599
story

948
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:02,280
with

949
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,440
I'll just say the owl as a Mythic

950
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,599
element like a Mythic element in the

951
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,490
um that's when I pay attention and

952
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:12,720
that's the story that that I am engaged

953
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:14,760
with as far as that's the story that

954
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,859
I've I've been asking for those kinds of

955
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,200
stories and I'm getting them so it's so

956
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:20,640
I'm putting the energy out there like

957
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:22,980
I'm saying right on my

958
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:23,640
um

959
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:26,040
right on my

960
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:28,380
website it says I want to hear your owl

961
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,060
stories and I say it every time I do an

962
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:31,680
interview I say it from stage when I

963
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:34,020
talk to that UFO conferences I say I

964
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:35,820
want to hear your owl story so I'm

965
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:38,220
getting those owl stories and then I try

966
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:43,560
not to wait or one that means and what

967
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:45,420
I've learned is the the stories that

968
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:46,740
have

969
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:49,859
cake mixed up energy

970
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,980
are are the ones that when you pull on

971
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:54,960
those threads you're going to get a rich

972
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:58,020
rich story of maybe

973
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,800
difficult to make sense of but um

974
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:02,880
so that's where you're going to get the

975
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:04,260
richest doors here I'm just going to the

976
00:39:08,569 --> 00:39:06,660
second book that I did let me just

977
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:08,579
the second book that I did here which is

978
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:10,740
called stories from The Messengers

979
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:14,040
yes that's the one I have yeah so the

980
00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,380
problem I had when I did the first book

981
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:18,839
Is I had to as I had to

982
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,060
people so you must know this right you

983
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:22,320
talk to someone who's had an experience

984
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:23,880
and then you call them up on the phone

985
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,800
it's a six hour call

986
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,660
you know what I mean like it's a six

987
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:29,520
hour phone call so it's not just there

988
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:31,500
like oh I saw UFO and I saw an owl maybe

989
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:33,060
that takes five minutes to tell no no no

990
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:34,619
that's not the story it's everything

991
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,079
else that comes along with that story

992
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,079
and and when I did the first book all I

993
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:42,599
could do is that short little blip I had

994
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:44,940
to make my point and so I have a story

995
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:48,000
like when I'm all on UFO together and

996
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,980
here's the little interesting story I

997
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:51,960
had to move that person who had

998
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,260
interesting experience also had

999
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:57,359
I'm gonna say it's what felt like a full

1000
00:40:01,849 --> 00:39:58,320
novel

1001
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,859
of strange events and um and that was

1002
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:03,780
the point of of the second book which is

1003
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:05,579
called stories from The Messengers was

1004
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:09,300
to include the the stories in a complete

1005
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,339
form because it broke my heart as an

1006
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,200
author to have to abridge someone's

1007
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:15,660
story so much truncate things so much

1008
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:17,700
that their story couldn't be told in its

1009
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:19,140
completion

1010
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,020
um and and I I needed to tell some of

1011
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,520
those stories and that was the point of

1012
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:25,680
the second book which reads like if

1013
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,619
there's 19 separate chapters each

1014
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:30,240
chapter reads like a short story where

1015
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,520
it tells an individual's

1016
00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:34,079
very complex

1017
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,339
overlapping narrative oftentimes it it's

1018
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:40,880
hard to it doesn't make sense so the

1019
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:44,220
whoever wrote in they were exactly

1020
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:47,460
correct to say like oh so you you doubt

1021
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:52,440
the the uh would be called formal

1022
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:55,440
and then and when I'm I should say it a

1023
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:56,520
little more cleanly it's not that I

1024
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,140
doubt the normal event but I would say

1025
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:00,720
that the strange mixed up events are the

1026
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,370
they have the most strange details and

1027
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:12,599
in a way like as a little kid like I was

1028
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,660
I loved campfire stories I loved do you

1029
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:17,460
remember the show um in search of with

1030
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,720
Leonard right I loved that show yeah so

1031
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,240
like that never left me like I still

1032
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,160
love those kinds of stories and that's

1033
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,800
what I'm seeking in and that's what I'm

1034
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:31,680
getting so so I'm so two things are

1035
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:33,300
happening I'm asking for people's owl

1036
00:41:38,569 --> 00:41:35,460
stories at the same time I am drawn to

1037
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:38,579
those deeper Mysteries

1038
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:40,980
someone in the chat said that they had

1039
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:44,880
an owl synchronicity that they uh I

1040
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,339
basically said okay elaborate but

1041
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:49,200
um so obviously people reach out to you

1042
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:51,480
all the time and do they do that through

1043
00:41:56,050 --> 00:41:54,260
your website you can go to my website in

1044
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:56,060
my website

1045
00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:58,440
mikeclelland.com and what that does is

1046
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:59,820
it takes you to a couple different I

1047
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:01,260
have a Blog that I haven't been keeping

1048
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,480
very active since writing the books but

1049
00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:05,520
that's got a wealth of of stuff on it I

1050
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,119
did a podcast for

1051
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:10,560
like four or five years in the starting

1052
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:14,040
2009 and then I did a podcast for almost

1053
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,540
three years two and a half years for

1054
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:17,760
Whitley strieber's site so there's a

1055
00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:20,099
there's a lot of material on my on my

1056
00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:23,339
blog and on my site but um so there's a

1057
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,540
contact thing there you can just reach

1058
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,400
out to me and and I I look forward to

1059
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:28,680
and I try my best I apologize if I don't

1060
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,560
get back to people but I've I've been

1061
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:33,359
trying my best to get back to people I'm

1062
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,460
tying up this book project right now so

1063
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,680
I've been sort of derelict and answering

1064
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,880
mail

1065
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,280
I I do have to say the same thing now

1066
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:42,720
that you're bringing up I should be

1067
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:46,500
apologizing as well I think everyone who

1068
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:48,420
does this is has that right everyone

1069
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:51,960
who's in this field is like flooded

1070
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:54,599
yeah with emails or I mean that's how we

1071
00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:56,220
correspond now so we're all flooded with

1072
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:58,200
emails I mean uh you know 20 years ago

1073
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,940
we would have been into the you know the

1074
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,400
kingdominal in the pile of letters out

1075
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:04,740
of the mailbox but but now we're you

1076
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:06,180
know it's through email yeah I think

1077
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:08,280
everyone does I talked to Richard Dolan

1078
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:10,980
he's swamped Whitley streber is swamped

1079
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:13,140
I think everyone even like lesser people

1080
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:14,819
who aren't like you know people who

1081
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,099
wrote a book 10 years ago are still

1082
00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:19,500
swamped getting letters

1083
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:21,060
yeah yeah

1084
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,180
um so I just tried to find your okay I

1085
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:26,160
found your website and I'm going to put

1086
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:29,339
that into the uh show notes for those of

1087
00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:31,980
you who are uh watching or listening so

1088
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:34,140
if you'd like to reach out to

1089
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,540
um to Mike you'd be able to do that and

1090
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:38,640
let me just pull up your website right

1091
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:42,960
here window here we go and we have some

1092
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:46,020
new options in this uh so this this is

1093
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:47,579
your your website

1094
00:43:54,849 --> 00:43:51,900
I love the graphics by the way and so uh

1095
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:54,859
anyway that's uh Mike

1096
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:57,540
clelandyourname.com right yep that's it

1097
00:44:01,730 --> 00:43:59,460
you know what and if you want to cheat

1098
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,740
you can just go into Google and type owl

1099
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,900
UFO and I'm gonna tell you I'm the first

1100
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:05,640
thing that comes up in the next 25

1101
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:09,680
things in the long list below that so

1102
00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:12,359
that's a unique yes it's a unique you're

1103
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,220
doing six you can do in this letter six

1104
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,440
characters you can find me so

1105
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,240
yeah yeah

1106
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:20,579
um so let's let's talk about

1107
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:23,339
um the synchronicities what are How

1108
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:25,319
would how is that related to this whole

1109
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:26,819
thing

1110
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,160
so so that's how I got involved in this

1111
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:31,140
so synchronicity by definition means a

1112
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:33,960
meaningful coincidence Carl Young coined

1113
00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:36,900
the term he some like a strict jungian

1114
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:39,180
analysis has a different

1115
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,400
context of what synchronicity means it

1116
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:43,740
has it has gained a sort of pop culture

1117
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:46,800
meaning which would be a a meaningful

1118
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:48,359
coincidence

1119
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,140
The Observer so I mean we all have

1120
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,420
synchronicities and you know but but

1121
00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:56,160
sometimes they're they're powerful

1122
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,579
they're real showstoppers and um

1123
00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:01,680
and that is what I'm finding you know

1124
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:06,119
what I did at one point I I when I so I

1125
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,390
respect to imply UFO contact and when I

1126
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:16,500
go to the UFO conferences some of them

1127
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:20,520
will have the in support groupings

1128
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:22,140
and I started going to those the really

1129
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,700
only the time I've been to those kinds

1130
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,160
of things has been at UFO conferences

1131
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,560
and I'll ask people like have you had

1132
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,440
any powerful synchronicities

1133
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:33,839
and and the people who are dealing with

1134
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:36,660
this kind of contact experience I'm not

1135
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:38,940
going out on a limb by saying this

1136
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,700
they basically like oh my gosh they

1137
00:45:45,490 --> 00:45:43,560
almost fall out of their chair trying to

1138
00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:45,500
describe the number of strange

1139
00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:48,180
synchronistic events that have happened

1140
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,099
in their life

1141
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,680
and some of them are absurd they don't

1142
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:54,660
seem to have connection to UFOs or they

1143
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,520
don't have time for connection to you

1144
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:58,319
know owls let's say but they but they

1145
00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:59,819
have these powerful

1146
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:02,460
synchronistic events in their life I'll

1147
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,440
tell I got my own personal stories I can

1148
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,119
tell a few

1149
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:08,480
yeah sure and I'm sure

1150
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:10,859
I'm going to be calling you too because

1151
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,359
I have

1152
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:14,700
um someone that I'm close with that has

1153
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:17,819
it just there's no denying the

1154
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:20,280
synchronicities that constantly happen

1155
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:21,660
with her

1156
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,540
so uh it's it's fascinating and I think

1157
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:26,640
you would may even want to know about it

1158
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:28,500
you know I mean it's that oh please yes

1159
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:31,140
please yes okay yeah so let's hear a

1160
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:32,460
couple of years

1161
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:34,680
so this is this is an odd one right so

1162
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:42,470
2004.

1163
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:44,460
and I was living out west

1164
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,650
I I was

1165
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:53,280
let me just think this is good because

1166
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:54,540
the problem is there because like trying

1167
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:55,980
to tell a dream right because it's like

1168
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:58,980
there's so many so I was I when I when I

1169
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,540
um I was doing this outdoor work and my

1170
00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:02,880
face gets red really easily my Scottish

1171
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,220
Heritage and so some sunblock I rub it

1172
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,720
in my face and it irritates my face I

1173
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:07,920
put the sunblock and it makes it

1174
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,540
irritates my skin and my skin gets more

1175
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:11,700
red because of the sunblock and so

1176
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:12,900
someone said oh you know what you need

1177
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,440
is Neutrogena 45. and I asked a few more

1178
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,359
people I said Neutrogena 45 so I got

1179
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:19,920
about three other people said nutrient

1180
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:21,180
40. I'm like

1181
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:23,940
try it so I was in the little town I

1182
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:26,400
lived in and I looked at the um the drug

1183
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:28,980
or in the health stores have it and I

1184
00:47:32,089 --> 00:47:30,540
was driving home and I was going to stop

1185
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:32,099
at the grocery store which was right

1186
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:33,780
there but I just kept driving

1187
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:36,540
and I as I was driving home this would

1188
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,619
have been Springtime would have been

1189
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:39,119
right around this time of the year early

1190
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,740
April

1191
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:42,720
and at that where I was living

1192
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,460
um near Grand Teton National Park at the

1193
00:47:49,309 --> 00:47:47,040
time was snowy and and so they do a

1194
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:49,319
clean uh Springtime cleaning where they

1195
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,060
get big garbage bags on the side of the

1196
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:53,040
road so just volunteers welcomed down

1197
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:54,420
the road and I did that a few years in a

1198
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:56,220
row so I just when I got to my house

1199
00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:58,440
which is right along the main Highway

1200
00:48:01,370 --> 00:48:00,300
I just got up I walked into the garage I

1201
00:48:03,170 --> 00:48:01,380
got a big

1202
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:03,180
um plastic couple plastic bags and I

1203
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,400
walked up and down the road and my I I

1204
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:07,020
was I said I'm gonna walk to the stop

1205
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:09,000
sign

1206
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,380
half a mile so I'll walk a half mile on

1207
00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:15,119
one side of the road cross the road and

1208
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,740
do a half a mile back I figured that'd

1209
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,420
be my nice service for them for the

1210
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:20,700
community and I was happy to do it so I

1211
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:23,460
start walking and starts snowing

1212
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:26,339
and the snow cones and it's this wet

1213
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,460
awful rain I'm soaked and I'm like ugh I

1214
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:31,859
should turn around so I so the if I'm

1215
00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:33,780
going to the stop so I get to the stop

1216
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:34,859
sign

1217
00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:38,940
and I kid you not there is a bottle of

1218
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:41,819
Neutrogena 45 leaning against the stop

1219
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:44,040
sign

1220
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:47,339
I was like now so here's this is where I

1221
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:49,619
was at this was before I had looked into

1222
00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:52,380
the UFO thing at all in my life like I

1223
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:54,599
would I didn't did not go there I denied

1224
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:56,339
it I had these funny things I could tell

1225
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:58,020
these stories as a like around a

1226
00:49:02,270 --> 00:48:59,880
campfire or a dinner table like isn't

1227
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:02,280
that weird and like I had missing time I

1228
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,980
had a UFO sighting close up and but I I

1229
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,079
was not going there like I was not so

1230
00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:08,940
when I saw that little bottle leaning

1231
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:10,560
against a signpost there was a voice in

1232
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:11,880
my head that said

1233
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:13,800
like it's them

1234
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,020
it's them and I didn't know what that

1235
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:18,960
meant so like

1236
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:21,060
how like how do you back engineer that

1237
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:24,180
like it was this is like it was at a

1238
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,520
signpost like where like this like what

1239
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,500
what better catchphrase

1240
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,160
for for a deep meaning you know a

1241
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:34,319
signpost along the road along the

1242
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,560
highway and I had just

1243
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:39,720
um dry home I had been looking for

1244
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:41,640
Neutrogena 45.

1245
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:45,839
I got that's so

1246
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:49,020
that story rocked my world at that point

1247
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:51,300
in my life and um and then they I

1248
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:53,339
started having a lot of them and

1249
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:55,859
powerful synchronicities of that power

1250
00:50:02,329 --> 00:49:58,500
and of that flavor

1251
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:02,339
yeah yeah it is interesting but are

1252
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:06,119
there is there a connection between

1253
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:06,960
um

1254
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:09,240
that you have seen where people have

1255
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,119
talked to about like owls and

1256
00:50:16,210 --> 00:50:13,760
synchronicities

1257
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:16,220
yeah yeah

1258
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:18,359
so here's so there's a there's a

1259
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:19,619
documentary it's actually quite good

1260
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:21,420
it's a documentary it's called time is

1261
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,619
art

1262
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:24,720
and it was directed by a woman and her

1263
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:27,420
husband and her name is

1264
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:29,579
Katie

1265
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:33,690
not right I'll think of it in a second

1266
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,079
[Music]

1267
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:35,760
um

1268
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:39,660
so they were in San Francisco

1269
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:43,020
it was a diary out synchronicity it's a

1270
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,280
really nice documentary it's done very

1271
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:46,079
artfully

1272
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:47,940
um the photography is beautiful so

1273
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:49,859
they're in San Francisco and they were

1274
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:52,980
getting footage of

1275
00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:56,000
the um

1276
00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:58,980
uh the murals in the in the Mission

1277
00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:01,559
District of San Francisco oh yeah the

1278
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,220
Diego Rivera Diego Rivera murals yeah

1279
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:06,839
and some of them are more modern and

1280
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:08,099
more pop you know so just like

1281
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:09,900
neighborhood kind of young artists were

1282
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:12,420
doing oh I've seen murals too and so the

1283
00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:15,059
murals were um and some of them were of

1284
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:17,579
owls so in the documentary there's like

1285
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:21,119
you know uh images of owls and there's

1286
00:51:26,690 --> 00:51:24,059
also images of UFOs and images of aliens

1287
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:26,700
and then they set the camera down the

1288
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,500
camera's still running

1289
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,280
and they get what amounts to very

1290
00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:33,359
interesting footage I'm very cautious

1291
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,119
I'm not a you know like I don't

1292
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:38,579
you know research the footage I'm not an

1293
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,400
expert on on footage

1294
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:42,960
there's some what I will call very

1295
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,380
compelling footage of a craft

1296
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:48,119
it just comes into frame and goes behind

1297
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:51,000
a tree and it is a structured craft it

1298
00:51:54,290 --> 00:51:52,920
is it looks like it's kind of boxy

1299
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,300
shaped but it's a three-dimensional

1300
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:56,640
object that is not a kite it's not a

1301
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:58,920
balloon it's moving in a strange way and

1302
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,780
so they're shooting they're shooting a

1303
00:52:04,930 --> 00:52:02,880
documentary on synchronicity

1304
00:52:08,569 --> 00:52:04,940
they're shooting

1305
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,579
owls like videotaping owls they set the

1306
00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:10,559
camera down and they get a UFO so that's

1307
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,780
right there owls synchronicity and UFOs

1308
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:15,420
all in one event that image is on my

1309
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,980
blog I think you can search my blog and

1310
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:18,420
just look up

1311
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:19,319
um

1312
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:24,180
UFO

1313
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:25,380
it should come up I could probably

1314
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:26,700
search it out and grab the link for you

1315
00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:28,260
but I think anyone would be able to find

1316
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:30,359
it pretty quick on my blog and that and

1317
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,859
I did a short little YouTube video where

1318
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:34,079
I replayed the image a bunch of times so

1319
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:35,280
you can actually watch it at different

1320
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:36,839
speeds and such

1321
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:40,140
yeah well I can't believe this time has

1322
00:52:45,490 --> 00:52:43,680
flown by so fast this hour has just oh

1323
00:52:49,069 --> 00:52:45,500
my God

1324
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:49,079
it's already here it happened very quick

1325
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,180
it's always a fascinating well the

1326
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:53,280
second time I had you on but I'd like to

1327
00:52:56,329 --> 00:52:54,839
have you back again it was a great

1328
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,339
conversation

1329
00:53:02,270 --> 00:52:59,760
wonderful it was a joy yes yes all right

1330
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:02,280
and so I put your I'm putting your uh

1331
00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:04,740
website into the show notes anybody can

1332
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:06,059
find that

1333
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,800
um and I'll post that also on YouTube as

1334
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:09,839
well but thank you so much Mike and good

1335
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,640
luck with this uh next book that comes

1336
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:13,920
out thank you I'm I'm believe me I'm

1337
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,059
going to try to promote it when it comes

1338
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:17,040
out so this I I got Good Vibes about

1339
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:19,079
this and I and I wanna it's but it's

1340
00:53:23,569 --> 00:53:21,240
meant to be a fun book so

1341
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:23,579
yeah excellent all right you take care

1342
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:26,520
okay thanks now all right yeah bye all

1343
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,680
right everyone so uh that was it for

1344
00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:30,720
tonight's show thank you very much we'll

1345
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,900
be back with uh Carlo petrick I've

1346
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:36,000
worked with him out at Phoenix a great

1347
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:37,980
guy he's going to be on our show next

1348
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:40,500
week and remember to keep your eyes to

1349
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:41,270
the sky

1350
00:53:48,420 --> 00:53:52,530
foreign